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June 5, 2013
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Larry McAfee
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BHA Chapters survive and thrive because of two elements. A large working membership base is number one. That number increases with activity in the Chapter such as meetings, Chapter events, publicity, and active and dedicated members,
The other element is support from shooters in Chapter Zones. Without some of that support certain Chapters will fail….and that is a shame.
I am not posting this as a “sour grapes” type post, but as a wake-up call to all our BHA members.
Our Chapters provide 3-D shoots and home bases for archery clubs and promotion sites for increasing membership and support of bowhunting and archery. Without Chapters, BHA would simply be a logo on paper.
This year the Tuscaloosa Chapter will host 3 shoots at our new archery park in Northport. We had a very good turnout for our first shoot in April and we are looking forward to good participation for our July shoot. The Tuscaloosa Chapter will not be “at risk”….because we will actively go after members, develop activities, offer archery and bowhunting instruction and ADVERTISE.
The Northern Zone has a reputation for supporting all their Chapters…just look at the score postings for each shoot. I praise each member that feels the need, the drive, and the passion to attend and support sister Chapters, because you understand that this is how you grow.
I have attended most of the Central Zone shoots this year and have noticed that certain Chapters have had low turnouts and support from other Central Zone Chapters. I fear that these Chapters are at risk.
BHA has few Chapters in the Southern Zone. Covington is the anchor. May I suggest to the BHA board that 3-D rule changes take a back seat to developing more BHA Chapters in the Southern Zone and increasing activities and programs designed to promote Chapter growth in each Zone. We need more participation from bowhunters at our 3-D events. We can make our events more “bowhunter friendly” by making the bowhunter classes less restrictive…BUT…EACH MEMBER must invite a bowhunter to a 3-D shoot to get more BHA members and…to keep those members we need activities and events. I challenge EACH BHA Member to recruit ONE new member for BHA…we could DOUBLE our membership with this ONE step!!!
We cannot all go to each BHA shoot, but each weekend during Spring and Summer, we CAN support our Zone Chapters.

June 5, 2013
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Very glad to see this post. I agree. I am guilty of not going to the last two shoots in the Southern Zone, but to be honest, I have just plain given up. I really hate that Covington lost their property. That was the last thing the Southern Zone needed! I know it is circumstances beyond control. I hope they find some other place to hold shoots. Another reason to, that I have given up, is because, although I was one that agrees that a shooter should be able to shoot what they have, I have REALLY worked hard at improving my shooting and judging distance, and I just know that next year the rules will probally change, I won’t stand a chance in my group. Once again, I do not foresee myself being financially able to buy a new (faster) bow, as now me and my husband are in the process of buying land and moving. Well, anyway, Good Post, Larry.

June 5, 2013
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Good post Larry.

June 5, 2013
2:39 pm
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Every once in a while, someone makes an excellent post in these forums! Larry, you came about as close to “hitting the nail on the head” as anything I’ve read in a while! We’ve talked and talked, preached and preached; we’ve argued and fussed, some have gotten mad and quit completely, some have come in, then left dejected! Why?? Stupid rules!!! Now, is there anything wrong with rules?? Certainly not! Rules were created to basically level the playing field for everyone, and their specific skill and/or age level. Our problem is the rules are being motioned, seconded, and voted on by the minority! I would venture to say (not pointing fingers) that some BHA rules have been placed in “our” rule book to work to the advantage of some selfish individuals. I’ll not go any further into that. I think that there is a simple solution, in regard to rules, and it’s been in front of our face all along! Rules for our organization should be drawn up by someone, or some organization completely and totally neutral to BHA! This has actually been touched on in another thread, and based on the votes that were cast, I’d say the majority is in favor of adopting another organizations rules. But, let’s get away from the “rule thing” for a minute! What people are looking for is the fun & enjoyment of shooting a bow! I may be different than most, in that I can go to a shoot every weekend, and have since the beginning of tournament season, and I’m there solely for the fun, fellowship, joking & poking fun at people! Basically, I only compete against myself! I just want my skills to where when that big fat doe walks out in front of my stand, I want to have the confidence and skill to place an arrow in an area that will bring a swift, humane harvest to my dinner table. But now, I accept the “lay of the land”, so to speak, in that I abide by the rules of whatever class I’m shooting in. If I win or place at any given tournament, great! If I don’t, it’s no biggee! Rules are strictly for competitors. If you’re not a competitor, then why not just shoot for fun?! There’s no “rules” that say “no fun shooters”! I’m very aware that everyone would prefer to win, and if we’d adopt this “other organization’s” rules, then there would be a place (a playing field) for everyone! But, if you are a competitor, and we were to adopt whatever rules, accept them, abide by them, and then get in a class that best suits your equipment, skill, and/or age level, and get out there, do your best, and stop griping! That’s really all we can do! I mean, after all, what are we competing for?? A hat pin!?! C’mon people let’s bring the fun back, and don’t worry so much about seeing one’s name at the top when the scores are posted!! B H A (BowHUNTERS of Alabama)…….not T S A (Target Shooters of Alabama)!

Kevin Ivey
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June 5, 2013
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Kevin, You are right!!!! Maybe I do need to step back and look at “why” I like 3-D shooting. I can’t let “competition” get in the way of just plain having fun, and learning to shoot better. I can’t speak for others, but I am guilty. I think the Southern Zone is pretty much wrapped it up for the year, but I’ll be ready for another round next year!!

June 5, 2013
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Kevin, some good points in there. I do take a bit of exception to the comment about rules being voted on by the minority. Every BHA chapter member has a representative that speaks for them at meetings. If a chapters representative is not doing their job and not attending meetings then vote them out and get someone else in there. My point is, everyone is represented. If you will read my post on the proposed motions made at the May meeting then you will see my thoughts on the apathy of BHA members/chapters. This is what probably leads to your view of “voting by the minority”. In fact, I do not see where your own chapter was represented at the May meeting. So, if you don’t want “voting by the minority” then attend the meetings. Sadly, you are not the only one, only 11 chapters were represented in May!!

I do like your point about there not be rule about shooting for fun. I think maybe we should emphasize this more at our local shoots. If someone wants to shoot for fun then so be it, They could shoot from whatever stake they wanted(except for adults shooting too close and pounding targets) with whatever equipment they have. No big deal. We just need to advertise this a bit more.

June 5, 2013
4:25 pm
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A “Get Ready For Bow Hunting Season” shoot is being planned for the second weekend of September at the new Tuscaloosa Archery Park. This event will combine the efforts of the Tuscaloosa, North Pickens and Fayette Chapters.
The rules will be VERY simple. You may shoot any LEGAL bow hunting setup….except broadheads. You may use any legal hunting device…including your rangefinder. Mostly deer targets will be set…at challenging, but ethical distances and sets. 12, 10, 8 count as a 10 score. A 5 hit is a MINUS 5 (no wounds).
We have plans to invite our local archery dealers and to have tables for them to show their archery equipment and to offer tech and help for bowhunters.
The park has an elevated stand and we will utilize it for shooting and safety harness awareness.
It will be advertized and hopefully we will have a huge turnout to ENJOY ARCHERY and prepare for the season.
We want this event to be FUN and Educational for all bowhunters and new folks just getting into bowhunting.
We will have door prizes…but NO TROPHIES! We will have fellowship. We will meet new people and introduce them to the fun and enjoyment of archery. We will have opportunities to learn and sign up NEW BHA members.
As we move toward this event, I will post more information.
This is not a Zone shoot….It is a shoot to bring BHA members together for an event to get back to our roots!

June 5, 2013
4:57 pm
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Moose24 said

I do take a bit of exception to the comment about rules being voted on by the minority. Every BHA chapter member has a representative that speaks for them at meetings. If a chapters representative is not doing their job and not attending meetings then vote them out and get someone else in there. My point is, everyone is represented. If you will read my post on the proposed motions made at the May meeting then you will see my thoughts on the apathy of BHA members/chapters. This is what probably leads to your view of “voting by the minority”. In fact, I do not see where your own chapter was represented at the May meeting. So, if you don’t want “voting by the minority” then attend the meetings. Sadly, you are not the only one, only 11 chapters were represented in May!!
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Kenny, your exception is noted. It doesn’t mean that I agree, but still noted. And see folks, we’re not mad at each other, just differ a bit in our views! I’ll admit, you are absolutely correct on “all charges” regarding my attendance at the last two meetings. I won’t begin to make excuses, although I do have my reasons. The problem with typing these messages like this is One, you don’t hear or feel the spirit in which it is said, and Two, as thoughts are racing through our minds, sometimes the real meaning of what’s being said is lost. My comments regarding the “minority” issue was said from an average BHA member’s point of view. In other words, as long as there are meetings being held involving a small fraction of our entire membership, there will always be complaining about the decisions being made that affect all of us! In regard to the rules issue, I just think that if we’d adopt the same rules as say, the largest archery shooting organization in the world, say “here it is, take it or leave it!”, folks are either going to abide, or go home. I really believe deep down that BHA would benefit, as that organization’s stance is basically just that! If you want to compete in one of their events, you have NO choice but to play by their rules! But, you see with BHA we’ll allow you to come on out and enjoy shooting 3D even if you don’t want to compete. You’ll notice that I have side stepped, danced around, and just about everything else, to keep from typing the three letter acronym that boils the blood of the “true blue BHAer”. Basically, the point I wanted to make was to remind everyone that BHA is about the outdoors, fellowship with other hunters, making new friends, growing the sport of hunting with archery equipment, and so many other things! Let’s not get caught up in ruling it to death!

Kevin Ivey
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June 5, 2013
5:48 pm
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Kevin, I think we agree on just about everything. My only gripe is with anyone who complains about the process but is not willing to be part of process. Everyone has their opinion on what type of organization we should be but when presented the opportunity( May Meeting) nobody cares to attend and present ideas to move us forward. Granted, a lot more people will attend the August meeting BUT the May meeting was the meeting where changes(motions) were to be presented and tabled until August.

I don’t doubt your passion at all, I think we are alike in that way for sure. There is a lot of passion from a handful of people on this website but translating that down to the BHA members seems to be a tough task.

I think your final point that you made is spot on except I don’t think we are ruling it to death. Are our rules the best they can be, most likely not. But, if we are going to have shooting competition whether it’s for a hat pin or not, even if it’s just to see who finishes 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. then there HAS to be rules of some kind. There is a balancing point there and it seems to me that most of our discussion is on finding that point. In all honesty, we really should just have shoots like the one Larry has listed above. That kind of shoot is exactly what we should be promoting.

June 6, 2013
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I wish every member and potential member of BHA had just a touch of MAC’s passion for archery. MAC may ruffle a few feathers from time to time but he ALWAYS has the sport of archery and BHA in the best interest.

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June 6, 2013
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Maxie Kizzire said

I wish every member and potential member of BHA had just a touch of MAC’s passion for archery. MAC may ruffle a few feathers from time to time but he ALWAYS has the sport of archery and BHA in the best interest.

Very True!

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