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12:58 pm
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January 25, 2013
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I am not a Artist by no means.
But maybe folks can get the just of it.
1:29 pm
Bobby, those are both in. There is nothing in the rules that says otherwise. The arrow is either touching or it is not. If it is touching, it’s touching. If the arrow can not be touched in any way to attempt to score the arrow and it’s touching, then it’s touching. Do I agree with it? not really. I do think it is easier for a group to determine if an arrow is touching the line rather than trying agree on whether or not it is touching due to being pulled. Judging whether a line is pulled or not really gets into a greay area and gets VERY subjective.
2:06 pm
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October 24, 2012
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That was the reason for me starting this conversation. It is a very grey area.
It really doesn’t matter to me which way is used, just as long as everyone is told the same way to score it. There will always be those that will cheat to gain points, I just don’t want to cheat myself out of points
Now that I know touching is touching I will start scoring in that manner.
2:17 pm
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January 25, 2013
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If the cut’in of the scoring area is pulled to the arrow, than that means the the cut’in is larger at the area of impact. The circle is pulled to the arrow. Not in BHA rules No pulling. Touching only. We can fuss all we want but it is in Black and White “Touching” only. I did not make the rules. I just go by them. Honor system what is it ……..And again this is another reason I did not want in office again. Rules, the thing that will make you or break you. Just saying. I’m out
2:27 pm
Bobby,
in your drawing for the one that is not in, the arrow is touching the line, correct? So, how is that not in? There is nothing in the rules that addresses how a line got there. If it is touching, it’s in. I am not saying that I like it, I actually don’t but there is nothing in our rules that supports a pulled line not counting.
3:25 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Many of the newer targets are softer….and sometimes it is really difficult to see if an arrow actually touches the “line”. In this case I suggest slightly pulling the arrow back about an eight of an inch. Usually the foam will come out as well and eliminate the “pucker”….it will be easier to see where the actual arrow and line meet.
In the case of a “shot up” target….majority rules….let everyone take a look and decide….fairly.
3:30 pm
Larry, I agree that pulling the arrow out a little almost always gives you a clear picture of how to score the arrow but most people want arrows scored without touching them. There again, we have no rule addressing this.
4:15 pm
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October 24, 2012
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A completely pulled arrow that is not first scored is a 0….but if you pull it slightly and it remains in the target, it is easier to score.
Again, the group should make the call.
2:03 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I posted this on a different thread without realizing this is where it should be. Chester said it right on the other thread and this why.
Chester I totally agree! I have been hearing of this pulling lines for several years but only until the new targets with soft foam appeared have I understood what the fuss is all about. The foam is so soft that arrrows are pulling the material into the target and it literally pulls the line to the arrow. Now it is plain and simple if the arrow does not touch the line it does not score the higher ring! If it sucks the line to the shaft and the line touches the shaft it is the higher score. If it just distorts the line and has meat in between; it is not scored the higher ring. The rules are plain; the shaft has to touch the ring. Why are we having this discussion like it is not plain? Scoring rings distort and are moved by other arrows and they are not always in the same places on a target. It is up to the group to call all arrows right and be fair to all. The arrow is either in or OUT! If you can not call the arrow out ;it is IN! With shot up targets this is a harder problem but it is up to the group to decide. I have been in this sport for a long time and judgement has to come into play. This does not need to be made any more than it needs to be. Don’t touch the arrows until they are scored and let your peers decide without begging for points!
9:36 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Kenny you said we have no rule addressing how a arrow is scored,yes we do it says the arrow is scored the why its in the target before it is touch and if the arrow is touching the line while in the target and hasn’t been pulled out any it scores the points of the line its touching.pulled or not.
8:32 am
Chester, I didn’t quite say that. I said there is nothing addressing line pulling and there is nothing addressing whether or not an arrow can be touched when being scored. Here is the exact wording from our tournament rules.:
I) Scoring
a. One arrow shall be shot at each target.
b. Scoring of an arrows shall be as follows:
i. If the arrow is touching or inside the 12 ring, it will score 12 points.
ii. If the arrow is touching or inside the 10 ring, it will score 10 points
iii. If the arrow is touching or inside the 8 ring, it will score 8 points.
iv. If the arrow penetrates any other part of the animal, it will score 5 points.
v. If the arrow misses completely or penetrates a non-animal part of the target, it will score zero (0).
vi. If the arrow is observed to pass through or bounce out of the target, it will count as observed of everyone in the group agrees, excluding the shooter. If everyone in the group does not agree, the arrow is dead and another must be shot.
vii. The arrow must be in the target to score (except for a pass through). Glance off arrows score zero (0).
viii. On short yardage targets (under 10 yards), after two shooters have shot, their arrow may be scored and pulled in order to prevent other arrows from possibly glancing off into a lower scoring area. Arrows must be scored before being pulled from the targets.
And then there is this one line in section J regarding grouping:
g. The Host Chapter will appoint group captains whose responsibilities include:
i. Scoring of arrows before they are pulled from the target and overall shooting.
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