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8:16 am
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October 24, 2012
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A lot of the trouble on some of the motions was the why they were worded,as for the tournament committee the why it was worded was that they made the rules and no boby else had any say so and the why it was first worded was they come up with a set of rules and then bring it back to the board to be approved that’s why it fail..And like Kenny said the ASA rules never came to the board to be voted on..And as far as speed ASA has a speed limit of 280 in all classes except the pro classes and known classes if I am not mistaken. again if I am not mistaken the reason we have a speed limited is to keep all shooters on a even level to which you have to judge your yards close to hit the mark and when you start getting more speed you take away a lot of the judgeing factor.which takes away the unknow yardage factor from the unknow yardage classes.if you are shooting a bow that shoots 280 and miss judge a target five yards you will get a 8 or 5 and if you are shooting a bow that shooting 290 or better and miss judge by five yards you are still a ten or better.
When we have the August meeting EVER member has a right to be there and we still have chapters that’s not represented by a officer of the club or a member of the club,most people don’t like to come to this meeting because its long and the reason its long is because they are discussing rules changes and changes to the way the org. runs so instead of complaining about what wasn’t done to your way of thinking be at the meetings and speak for your point of view and don’t get in a hurry to leave.
9:28 am
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October 24, 2012
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My compliments on how effecient the BHA Board Meeting was run and how all the business was completed.
Just a few comments…and I hope we get many additions and posts on this thread. As I said in the meeting, we NEED more involvement and comments from our membership on this website.
Again, we have completed a year of 3-D shoots without addressing our main problem. We have a set of rules that we have labored to adjust, twick, change, modify and, most of all, argue over each year. WHY not adopt the ASA rules for the classes we use for our BHA shoots?? Why not ADD a “BOWHUNTER UNLIMITED CLASS” (just for us), where anyone can use equipment that is LEGAL ARCHERY EQUIPMENT in the state of Alabama. We are THE organization that supports bowhunting in Alabama…WHY don’t we have a competitive class that will allow us to entice more BOWHUNTERS to join us at our 3-D shoots.
We CAN have the best of both areas, target archery and bowhunting 3-D….and it’s time we addressed this and offer to embrace the thousands of archers that do not know of BHA…OR have shyed away because of our “target rules”.
11:03 am
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November 28, 2012
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Larry McAfee said
My compliments on how effecient the BHA Board Meeting was run and how all the business was completed.
Just a few comments…and I hope we get many additions and posts on this thread. As I said in the meeting, we NEED more involvement and comments from our membership on this website.
Again, we have completed a year of 3-D shoots without addressing our main problem. We have a set of rules that we have labored to adjust, twick, change, modify and, most of all, argue over each year. WHY not adopt the ASA rules for the classes we use for our BHA shoots?? Why not ADD a “BOWHUNTER UNLIMITED CLASS” (just for us), where anyone can use equipment that is LEGAL ARCHERY EQUIPMENT in the state of Alabama. We are THE organization that supports bowhunting in Alabama…WHY don’t we have a competitive class that will allow us to entice more BOWHUNTERS to join us at our 3-D shoots.We CAN have the best of both areas, target archery and bowhunting 3-D….and it’s time we addressed this and offer to embrace the thousands of archers that do not know of BHA…OR have shyed away because of our “target rules”.
I want to also compliment the Board on how they conducted the meeting. May not agree 100% but I feel we are getting stronger on the bowhunting side and that’s a plus. I appreciate Mark’s leadership and his willingness to stick it out one more year.
Larry, I like your idea. Solved both of our two main issues. Texas ASA adopted a SR Bowhunter class last year because they felt it served their membership. BHA could add the Unlimited Bowhunter type class to resolve our issue with everyday bowhunter not being able to shoot our events because of equipment.
11:33 am
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Chester Suttle said
And as far as speed ASA has a speed limit of 280 in all classes except the pro classes and known classes if I am not mistaken.
All pro classes and a few of the ameutar classes shoot 290 fps:
2:28 pm
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October 24, 2012
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See the folloowing Quote; “When we have the August meeting EVER member has a right to be there and we still have chapters that’s not represented by a officer of the club or a member of the club,most people don’t like to come to this meeting because its long and the reason its long is because they are discussing rules changes and changes to the way the org. runs so instead of complaining about what wasn’t done to your way of thinking be at the meetings and speak for your point of view and don’t get in a hurry to leave.” Now you have opened a can of worms! Chester if everyone of us showed up and voiced our ideas ; we would have a bigger cluster than we are having. INDIVIDUALS have no vote! Clubs represent us! Oh we could all be a past officer or Life member. My whole point has been to get the individuals out of rule making and it be done by informed Shooters or people with a background or experience.
3:52 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I think what Chester was pointing out is…Every BHA Chapter was not present at this board meeting.
When the minutes of the meeting are posted we will see all the Chapters that were not represented and could not vote on key motions that involve the organizations.
It is a shame that Chapter representatives (presidents and/or officers) do not understand the responsibility that their Chapter members expect from them.
By not attending these meetings they cannot report back to their Chapter members and DO NOT give them a voice and VOTES at these meetings.
Right now a Chapter representative ONLY has to attend ONE MEETING per year to “represent” their Chapter….and for some, they cannot even manage ONE!
Chapters should elect responsible officers.
Chapter members that have officers that have failed in their responsibility need to elect officers that will represent them.
Three meetings per year is NOT EXCESSIVE….and not making at least one is unacceptable!
Mark Proctors statement at the end of the meeting is very, very true: “We need to do better…”
5:34 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Point taken Chester and Larry. I agree it was too important for the chapters not be represented . It was a pivotal point in the direction we need to head.
6:54 pm
Better than looking at the chapters that attended the August board meeting look at the chapters that attended the May meeting where almost all these motions were written, discussed, tweaked and tabled.
7:01 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Leldon it would be just like it is at the Cadd meeting you just sign a list at the start of the meeting and speak on the subject you have a concern on and after you have your say about the subject it may change the view of the voteing members at less you have spoken you feelings.
7:45 pm
Hello everyone,this was my first year shooting 3-d and I had a blast. I hate I waited this long to get started. Thanks to last years cancer shoot I’m hooked. I shot over 25 different tournaments this year all over the state and had the opportunity to meet a lot of great people. The complaint about the speed is everywhere. I’ve heard it at every shoot I’ve attended. Most people do not want to set up their bows differently two times a year and most people who haven’t shot tournaments before WILL NOT go though the trouble of changing their set up. If they would try it they would get hooked and join up. Give them a class to shoot in and see if memberships increase. There is no speed set for bow hunting. As for open classes ,keep a speed rule on us. Asa seems to have it figured out. I shot five pro-ams this year and there is very little complaining about speeds in open classes. I met some open-b shooters from ala.that do not shoot bha because they are set up for 290 and bha is 280. I am facing the same decision next year. (Was hoping for a rule change)
Over this past year I’ve noticed the attendance drop of some and heard of a few chapters closing the doors. We need more shooters and we need to not hold them back from joining
10:13 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Thanks for your input, Reggie.
Changes that make a positive impact on our attendance at shoots also increase our membership for BHA.
8:58 am
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October 24, 2012
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We have had some good discussions on this but at the end of the day we have not moved an inch. I can not go through another year changing and tweaking every time I go to a shoot. If BHA wants to be the premier shooter’s venue they have to step it up. I have been advocating change for 3 years to the point my jaw is sore and I feel like people took it as complaining instead of speaking for the shooters. The SHOOTERS are not talking and are leaving. My phone has been blowing up and they will not get on here and let someone label them a complainer. Everyone that has heard me all year and thought I was complaining ; I was pleading! I won the Open A State Championship with a total of 7 shooters.It was a hollow victory. The Templetons, Barry Langston, Jason Garrison,Dwight Mckay, Keith Thomas,Pat Sinal,Walt Pitman, Todd White, Ben Selman,Eddie Lundy, Eddie Sullivant and many more did not shoot! I have not heard from each and everyone but they did not come . These people shoot every week.I reckon it must be clear we have a problem. The rules are making it difficult for this group.
9:51 am
Leldon, I agree with you but I don’t know what you expect to change at this point. The time for change was last weekend. We had these discussions during the year but we get to the meetings and nothing gets done. It will next August before can change again. Like you said in a previous post, the system does not work. People are voting with out having a clue what is going on or what is best for BHA. At least half of our votes were by Proxy. So, we had more people voting that were not even at the meeting than people who were there! Letting Life Members have a vote makes no sense in my opinion. Name me one other reputable organization that allows life members to vote.
On the somewhat bright side, we can address some of this at our central zone meetings in a couple weeks. We are not bound by BHA rules except for Trails shoots and the State Championship. Something to think about.
9:58 am
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November 6, 2012
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We Can Still fix this problem, at the local level. All the local clubs have to do is Put in a Shoot what you bring Class, We tried it last year and it Seemed to work, We just called it a Money round.Cullman County Will be having this Again for the 2014 Season. Again This will be A Non BHA Sanctioned Class, But What it does is Give Everybody A class to shoot in. If a club really wants to increase participation, they will go out or their way,And do whatever it takes to insure that we have a class that fits everybody.
10:31 am
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November 28, 2012
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headshot said
We Can Still fix this problem, at the local level. All the local clubs have to do is Put in a Shoot what you bring Class, We tried it last year and it Seemed to work, We just called it a Money round.Cullman County Will be having this Again for the 2014 Season. Again This will be A Non BHA Sanctioned Class, But What it does is Give Everybody A class to shoot in. If a club really wants to increase participation, they will go out or their way,And do whatever it takes to insure that we have a class that fits everybody.
I am going to use the Thank button on headshot’s post!! Glad to see Cullman stepping out of the box to try something new. Everyone needs to try to evolve and that place is at the local club level. We need to adjust this year and see if these changes would benefit BHA. We need an unlimited bowhunter class, no speed limit, so the average bowhunter has no excuses. And look hard at what our open class shooters want.
Note: The General Discussions category has public access and I have moved this topic to Business Talk which is member only access. I have put labels on categories that have public access. I ask that any business discussions not be posted in any of those THANKS! continue on!
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12:25 pm
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November 6, 2012
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Fatality said
headshot said
We Can Still fix this problem, at the local level. All the local clubs have to do is Put in a Shoot what you bring Class, We tried it last year and it Seemed to work, We just called it a Money round.Cullman County Will be having this Again for the 2014 Season. Again This will be A Non BHA Sanctioned Class, But What it does is Give Everybody A class to shoot in. If a club really wants to increase participation, they will go out or their way,And do whatever it takes to insure that we have a class that fits everybody.
I am going to use the Thank button on headshot’s post!! Glad to see Cullman stepping out of the box to try something new. Everyone needs to try to evolve and that place is at the local club level. We need to adjust this year and see if these changes would benefit BHA. We need an unlimited bowhunter class, no speed limit, so the average bowhunter has no excuses. And look hard at what our open class shooters want.
This Should really start with a zone directors meeting,So that all three zones are on the same page. if we do this it will pass next August. we need to show some uniformaty between the zones to make this work.
12:25 pm
So, If you will notice, everyone posting on here is for changes. We are pretty much preaching to the choir. It would be nice to hear from the people that voted against some of the motions and help us to understand why they did so. Or is this going to be like all of those people who voted for Obama but are now to ashamed to admit it?
5:15 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Oooooh….I like that last zinger, Kenny….
Really, you are CORRECT when you call a meeting a joke when the majority does not show up.
It was one of the very few meetings I have missed in the past 12 years….but one of my pet peeves over those years is the fact that Chapters miss meetings! Since I knew I would miss and had asked no one to attend, I did contact my Zone Director to discuss items at the meeting….
Just like voting, you have not a leg to stand on if you or your Chapter representitive does not take the responsibility to attend the board meetings.
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