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2:38 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Several of us have voiced an opinion about changing the speed in our current rules. Let’s get a civil discussion going as to how we could change the rules and what speed would we change . Me personally ASA and IBO are different so what should ours be? I see no problem with 5 grains per pound ; except the enforcement of that rule. A chronograph leaves very little doubt with a definite number. 280fps is still not the end of the world!
4:26 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I really don’t have a dog in this fight but my opinion is that more speed is a crutch used for mistakes in estimating yardage.
Traditional folks don’t have a “problem” with speed because very few trad bows go over 200fps. Trad bows have been much improved over the years but the main challenge is still there and the emphasis is on skill, not speed.
The most interesting and demanding of the sport of shooting 3-D is the estimation of yardage. If we continue to make archery more simple by taking away more and more of the challenge…where do we stop or draw the line?
Just think what skill level you would have to practice for if the limit was 200fps………………………..
4:40 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I think the 280 rule is a good spot to be in myself. I have a 30 inchdraw and bullet has a 26.5 I believe. It is a good medium that short and long draw archers can meet at. Keeps the playing field even in other words.
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6:26 pm
The simple fact of the matter is that bow technology has made great strides and it would be a shame to let that technology go to waste. I said before, bows are shooting must faster these days right off the showroom floor. and we need to keep pace. For you guys who are afraid to move forward think of it in terms of Golf, It’s like asking people to use a steel shaft, persimmon wood driver when there is a perfectly good carbon shaft titanium driver sitting right there. Embrace technology, don’t be afraid of it. Why is there even need to get proficient at 200 fps? We are long past the days of 200 fps. There is no need to stay stuck in the past Unless you so desire. That is a personal decision and should not hold the rest of us back.
In my opinion the best thing about these new higher speed bows is the fact that people can shoot lower poundage, higher brace height bows and get really great speeds. There is no longer a need to struggle with a 70lb to get good speed.
I would say we need to raise the limit to at least 290 possibly even 300.
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October 24, 2012
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Actually, just to prove the theory that speed and accuracy do not run hand in hand, I would be in favor of doing away with the speed limit entirely!
Kevin Ivey
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7:50 pm
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February 27, 2013
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I think 290 or 300 is fair. I have had a hard time meeting the speed limit we have now. I was a member three years ago and dropped out cause its was just to much trouble to reach and of you can not meet the rules it its cheating. I rejoined this year and can meet the speed but i don’t like the way my bow shoots now but i deal with it. I am gonna buy me a new bow thus year and i will be to fast for next year. I am a 30inch draw too. One more question is that speed does more damage to the targets but if you raise the speed limit do you think it will help keep members and gain more new one. Which in return would help clubs pay for targets.
Thanks Chris
7:59 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I keep thinking that target wear is going to be a problem with high energy bows. It is not going to be very funny when someone shows up with a 100 lb pull bow and 500 grain arrows shooting 300 + fps. They may be getting pass throughs on many new targets. I know that the high energy bows get pass throughs pretty quickly on the morrel range bag targets.
I don’t shoot enough 3d to worry about speed changes. I don’t even care if 400 fps + cross bows are allowed on the course. If it shoots an arrow it is fine with me.
9:15 pm
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February 26, 2013
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I have just got back into bow hunting and bought a older used bow, it’s ok but any of the new bows I look at are to fast to shoot your tournaments. If I spend that kind of money on a good bow I want to be able to shoot both tournament and hunt with one set up . I think if its off the shelf let us shoot and not just for the fun of it
7:54 am
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October 24, 2012
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I see some great comments and pretty well agree with everything being said. Kenny Moore’s in particular is what I am thinking. I have shot traditional and was brought into this game by older people that had their ideas. Their line was when they started letting compounds shoot. They all quit and did not shoot anymore. The next line was when then release aid was let into competition. I can still hear my uncle saying ” When your fingers leaves the bow you are not shooting it!” Another line was the crossbow for hunting and so on and so on! None of these items are true lines and are just peoples ideas of their own lines. I said all that to say we need to keep current of the National rules and keep moving forward so we all can have a great time shooting and not be handicapped by someone else’s imaginary line! We do not need to lose any shooters over our rules.
8:11 am
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February 3, 2013
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I think 300 fps would be good as most new bows off the rack can easily reach this speed. when i bought a new bow in 2012 it was shooting well over 300fps now i have turned down to 62 pounds for comfort and accuracy to my on liking and still get 301 out of .Its the new age of bow hunting with better bows than we have ever had and i think would should not have to harness that extra speed .
9:54 am
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October 24, 2012
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Can’t wait till the rocket arrows come out!! 
I’m with Kevin…no speed limit……….just have fun!!
Kenny says “embrace technology”…we can do that and we have…but we still need guidelines for competition to keep everything on an even playing field, as Brent said.
As far as target damage, technology will catch up there, as well…manufacturers like Rhinehart and McKensey will make better targets…and they already have.
11:39 am
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February 3, 2013
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Thats what Im talking about just get rid of the speed limit not many chapters keeping a chek on it any way .Only time i had mine checked was zone championship and state shoot.
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September 23, 2012
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What about the rule wording something to the effect of ” keeping current with national archery organizations”? Not necessarily putting a number there. I say this because if the current three year no rule change stays in effect we may be limiting ourselves. With the 3 year rule the flexibility does not exist to make speed rule changes annually, why not build in flexibility.
What other changes do you think might need to be addressed besides the speed limit?
Mark Proctor
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9:11 pm
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November 28, 2012
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Known yardage classes. I think the K45 was the largest class at the last ASA shoot. I spoke with the Texas ASA Federation director and he said they have had no issues allowing Known shooters to use rangefinders on the range with unknown shooters.
“keeping current with national archery organizations” – you would need to pick one organisation
However, we passed the 3 year rule at the 2011 State Meeting, they are in effect for 3 years. So changes cannot be made until the 2014 State meeting.
10:16 pm
I agree with Jason, you most likely need to pick one organization. However, in my opinion the 3 year rule should be trashed anyway. For the very reason that you(Mark) are trying to work around it with the wording of the speed limit rule. If you are going to get around it by the wording for one rule then why not do it for other rules. Where would it stop? I understand why we created the 3 year rule but truly we just need to man up and handle rule changes each August. Sure, it can be unpleasant at times but it is only one day out of the whole year. Just run the meeting as it should be and it can be done. We need to stay flexible and locking in rules for 3 years at a time hinders that for sure. Is there any other organization that locks in rules for an extended period of time? I’m guessing not but I could be wrong.
11:05 am
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October 24, 2012
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i think we should put more into hunting than 3d are maybe 50/50 like starting with supporting the nra
2:50 pm
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February 26, 2013
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Touchy subject! 280 keeps it fair, but….. The way technology is these days, my bow shoots 323 with my HUNTING SETUP- broadheads and everything! 330+ while shooting just field points, I was shooting 1 pin out to 35 yards. Now, I have my bow at 276 and Im shooting the Rainbow, lol 1st pin is 20 2nd 30, anyway. 300-310 is a good speed.
9:42 pm
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January 15, 2013
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Lots of people said Kown yardage would never work or 280 would be here for a long time, but ASA saw a reason to change and I think they have done very well with the changes. In the GA pro/am they 142 shooter in known 45…largest ever for them in one class. Also there numbers are up this year snice they have raised the speed limit.
11:01 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Now i shoot both bha and asa. The speed isue isnt why their turn out was better but we have more shooters from Alabama and surrounding state that love to compete and this shoot was so much closer, but until we get more organized we want have the turn out like asa. As far as speed it doesnt matter as much, you still jave to make the shot and know a little yardage. I myself love the 280 rule but im game to shoot against a 300 shooter. Thats just me and not trying to step on any toes , i just love to shot and have fun…… Have a great season everyone
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