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I applaud that long speech, but you dodged the question with a politicians broom. Where does the money from entry fees actually go? What makes BHA anything different than a weekend archery shoot?
Why would a club want to be a member of BHA, what makes giving BHA $5 per shooter that visits your club over the weekend worth it?
I’ll hang up and listen.
BHA does not get $5 from every shooter. That is only on the SOYT shoots and that money goes to buy the BHA State SOY buckles. The money from the entry fees stay with the chapters. BHA does not get any money from Chapters from their local shoots or for them being a chapter. I suppose you would have to ask each chapter these questions. We do get memberships from people that join on the chapter level but that decision is made by each individual person.
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Bobby Ingram6:16 pm
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Bobby…well said.
We have had some wonderful and dedicated officers for BHA!!!! Bless them all for their VOLUNTEER work for this organization over the years. We have also many dedicated folks to help in many levels to build the Chapters and the organization.
Too many times these folks have been unappreciated and not celebrated.
If you are not for us, loose talk and failure to be involved will make it impossible to grow in a positive way. Suggestions, ideas, plans, volunteering, stepped up, and being INVOLVED is the key.
Ask yourself this…What have I contributed to the growth of BHA? All of the questions that Bobby asked…how do you, as BHA member, answer?
How many NEW members have you signed up?
Here is the most important question (in my opinion)…The BHA board meetings are open and answers to all questions can be found there. Suggestions are welcomed. Volunteers are encouraged. Questions are answered. How many care enough to volunteer to get involved?
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Bobby Ingram9:38 pm
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This is James Hornbuckle I some times find myself asking the same question about where all the money goes when I go to a shoot. . I can tell you from North Jefferson we give all of the money to Sharon Heights Baptist Church for mission trips that is why me and just a few other people at our club do it and a lot of the clubs donate a lot of their money to schools for Nasp programs because the state doesn’t fund it, or they buy bows for a church so they can teach kids how to shoot them . If it was not for BHA we would not have the structure that it takes to keep all the clubs in line for the most part. The clubs would just do what they want to do have classes that they want to have there would be no organization to it really it would just plain suck . I talk to people in Tennessee that wish they had something like the BHA in their state to keep everything together and going on the tournament side and on the bow hunting side look at the archery parks that have came up in the last 5 years heck not many people will ever know what some of the people on the executive board have done for us on the hunting side. I know for a fact that some of them take time off WORK just so they can go to a meeting that a city Council is having trying to stop anyone from shooting any archery equipment in the city limits where some of our archery parks are and don’t forget that some one goes to the CAB bored meeting to fight for your bow hunting rights, oh and they do all that for FREE ! They get their gas paid for if they turn it in or a Hotel room paid for if they want to be reimbursed, but that will never account for the time that they have spent fighting for us. Dont forget get they have to beg for people to come help at the Nasp state shoot , just so the KIDS can shoot 10 3D targets! Only a few show up and it usually is the same ones that have always showed up which is probably 5 to 8 people. And don’t forget get that BHA has helped and provided targets for The breast-cancer shoot every year oh and it all ways the same BHA Members every year have set every target for that shoot lord knows there is not a line of people trying to help with that and all so work long hours there just so ever one can shoot and raise money for them just so people can make up rumors about the BHA asking for 5$ a person for Target repair when BHA only asked for 1$ Per shooter just to help pay for the target damage which would only buy 6/8 new cores i my self think it is only fair and seeing that BHA runs the hole shoot if i had to guess that is where some of the money goes that BHA takes in. And for the people that think that going to ASA rules has killed it for every one , you should attend every meeting and voice your Opinion there and be involved with your local club and BHA more so you can have a vote on what BHA does we the members of BHA tell BHA what it can and can’t do so get involved and help make decisions with us. I can tell you from North Jefferson, since we went to the ASA rules our attendance has went way up in my opinion. We don’t have to fight about rules every year to make it easier for some one to win in BHA.
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This is James Hornbuckle I some times find myself asking the same question about where all the money goes when I go to a shoot. . I can tell you from North Jefferson we give all of the money to Sharon Heights Baptist Church for mission trips that is why me and just a few other people at our club do it and a lot of the clubs donate a lot of their money to schools for Nasp programs because the state doesn’t fund it, or they buy bows for a church so they can teach kids how to shoot them . If it was not for BHA we would not have the structure that it takes to keep all the clubs in line for the most part. The clubs would just do what they want to do have classes that they want to have there would be no organization to it really it would just plain suck . I talk to people in Tennessee that wish they had something like the BHA in their state to keep everything together and going on the tournament side and on the bow hunting side look at the archery parks that have came up in the last 5 years heck not many people will ever know what some of the people on the executive board have done for us on the hunting side. I know for a fact that some of them take time off WORK just so they can go to a meeting that a city Council is having trying to stop anyone from shooting any archery equipment in the city limits where some of our archery parks are and don’t forget that some one goes to the CAB bored meeting to fight for your bow hunting rights, oh and they do all that for FREE ! They get their gas paid for if they turn it in or a Hotel room paid for if they want to be reimbursed, but that will never account for the time that they have spent fighting for us. Dont forget get they have to beg for people to come help at the Nasp state shoot , just so the KIDS can shoot 10 3D targets! Only a few show up and it usually is the same ones that have always showed up which is probably 5 to 8 people. And don’t forget get that BHA has helped and provided targets for The breast-cancer shoot every year oh and it all ways the same BHA Members every year have set every target for that shoot lord knows there is not a line of people trying to help with that and all so work long hours there just so ever one can shoot and raise money for them just so people can make up rumors about the BHA asking for 5$ a person for Target repair when BHA only asked for 1$ Per shooter just to help pay for the target damage which would only buy 6/8 new cores i my self think it is only fair and seeing that BHA runs the hole shoot if i had to guess that is where some of the money goes that BHA takes in. And for the people that think that going to ASA rules has killed it for every one , you should attend every meeting and voice your Opinion there and be involved with your local club and BHA more so you can have a vote on what BHA does we the members of BHA tell BHA what it can and can’t do so get involved and help make decisions with us. I can tell you from North Jefferson, since we went to the ASA rules our attendance has went way up in my opinion. We don’t have to fight about rules every year to make it easier for some one to win in BHA.
Alright James I wasn’t going to bring up the rental fee for targets to Bow Up, but since you have…..
I asked you last Thursday about BHA renting targets to Bow Up at $5 per head and your response was and I quote “Breast Cancer Foundation employees make money for working the shoot, why shouldn’t BHA?” You then went on to say target repairs were roughly $1500 encountered from that shoot each year.
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OK Mark, apparently you have something that you want to talk abort here. Go ahead and get it off your chest. Because you fail to answer the questions that I asked you in messenger in over an hour and a half of back and forth. I ask you to get involved, all you are doing now is pointing out things that you don’t know about. Hearsay. You do not attend meetings, you use hearsay. You will not get involved because you say you are gonna start your own league in the state. You say that BHA is and I quote “A SCAM”.
There are very many folks that have put a lot of time and their own money into this Organization. Folks like you come along and pick on the ones that love what they do.
Now its about time you say what you want too, on this site. You bash things that YOU have NO idea about. O and by the way this post are monitored and deleted by other folks that love this BHA. So when this is all said and done. I will have this post DELETED. Folks come and go, these kinda thing is just another day at the office. GET INVOLVED OR BACK OFF. None of this is directed to anyone. But if you do not get involved, then don’t say anything. I can and will put all the messaging on here so others can see what you had to say if you want and let them decide? If
8:32 am
As far as the use of targets for Bow-Up and the money, it was brought up at a Board meeting that we should get something for the target repair. I said at that time that I would ask the committee and see what we could do. It was discussed between myself and another Bow-Up Committee member and together we came to the decision that it would not happen. Bow-up went up on registration fees by $5 this year. That was the ONLY mention of $5 in the discussion. BHA NEVER asked for $5 as this is a charity shoot that we feel strongly about. Bow-up has a committee that makes ALL decisions and only a handful of people from BHA are on the committee. Anyone is welcome to attend the committee meetings or sit on the committee. Just contact BCRFA if you are interested. They run the show. We just host the tournament.
As far as targets and target repair, we don’t have them repaired every year but have had the OLD targets repaired 2x in the past several years. I believe the cost was somewhere around $1500 -$1800 for each repair. Now we did have more than 20 targets. They were OLD targets and did not have replaceable cores. They cost to have repaired. That is why the decision was made last year at the BOARD meeting and voted on by all that was in attendance to replace the targets. We sold all of the old targets and we purchased 20 new targets (with spare cores) that have replaceable cores and that cost should go down for the future leaders of BHA.
This is how rumors get started and it is very hurtful to OUR organization and OUR chapters. If you don’t know what you are talking about please keep your mouth shut or go to the person(s) that may have the answer, the true answer, and ask before you say anything.
We are all here for the betterment of BHA, the Chapters, archery in the State of Aklabama and our hunting rights. Please ask. I am sure we will have an answer for all questions. I am not hard to get in touch with. My phone number and email address is plastered everywhere from the website to the facebook page. But these rumors are ridiculous and I am calling for them to STOP and STOP NOW!
That is why I made the announcement that I will be stepping down as President in August at the Board Meeting. I have met tons of new friends/family during my time on the Board and am looking forward to shooting next year with you all. I will not be disappearing from BHA or our chapters and I have done my best for everyone. The ones that think they can do a better job, I am an adult and say maybe you can but now is your chance. STEP UP! My decision was not made lightly and I can only wish the future leaders much success and BHA a long and strong future.
Thanks much.
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BTW, If this thread does not remain CIVIL then it will be locked. I will not have any BASHING on the website or the Facebook page. We are all adults and need to act accordingly.
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OK Mark, apparently you have something that you want to talk abort here. Go ahead and get it off your chest. Because you fail to answer the questions that I asked you in messenger in over an hour and a half of back and forth. I ask you to get involved, all you are doing now is pointing out things that you don’t know about. Hearsay. You do not attend meetings, you use hearsay. You will not get involved because you say you are gonna start your own league in the state. You say that BHA is and I quote “A SCAM”.
There are very many folks that have put a lot of time and their own money into this Organization. Folks like you come along and pick on the ones that love what they do.
Now its about time you say what you want too, on this site. You bash things that YOU have NO idea about. O and by the way this post are monitored and deleted by other folks that love this BHA. So when this is all said and done. I will have this post DELETED. Folks come and go, these kinda thing is just another day at the office. GET INVOLVED OR BACK OFF. None of this is directed to anyone. But if you do not get involved, then don’t say anything. I can and will put all the messaging on here so others can see what you had to say if you want and let them decide? If
You asked me to take a position with BHA and I declined Bobby. I don’t believe in what’s going on and don’t want my name tied to it. Question was answered
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Wow…BIG worms!!
Unfortunately just about every organization has problems. Most of them are rooted in lack of communication, not understand, or not wanting to understand.
I have been a part of BHA since the ’60’s…that’s 1960’s. I have seen many officers and volunteers leave (after giving their all, sweat and tears, and heart). Most of the time it is because of gossip, ignorance, and the total lack of involvement.
All of the questions asked on this thread could have been answered at a BHA board meeting or contacting a BHA officer…
We Are BHA!…emphasis on the “WE”…WE are family.
To all the BHA members and possible members to be…if you need answers or don’t understand something…ASK!
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Mark my comment was not directed toward you it was directed towards everyone that has anything to say about the BHA and yes I did say that the BHA should get reimbursed for target repair and I also said, don’t leave this part out that I heard nothing about the five dollars per shooter at any of the meetings I had been to and I will find out who came up with that high of a number. I told you then I would ask about it and get to the bottom of it at the meeting Saturday which I did. Trust me if I say something about asking BHA a question I will do it, that is why I brought it up in my comment because I know there is a rumor going around about it and on Friday I had 2 people call me about it. I told them the same thing, I love what we the BHA is doing for bowup, I do but in my opinion it is not much to ask for a little help. I think it is great that someone is going to donate targets and can afford to keep them up that is awesome and if I can help anyway with any of that let me no I will make it happen and its great that all the sponsors keep signing up and donating money to them Marks has been the title sponsor for years that’s awesome .
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Larry McAfee said
Wow…BIG worms!!
Unfortunately just about every organization has problems. Most of them are rooted in lack of communication, not understand, or not wanting to understand.I have been a part of BHA since the ’60’s…that’s 1960’s. I have seen many officers and volunteers leave (after giving their all, sweat and tears, and heart). Most of the time it is because of gossip, ignorance, and the total lack of involvement.
All of the questions asked on this thread could have been answered at a BHA board meeting or contacting a BHA officer…
We Are BHA!…emphasis on the “WE”…WE are family.
To all the BHA members and possible members to be…if you need answers or don’t understand something…ASK!
I did ask… See post above. The answer I was given was “Breast Cancer Foundation employees make money for being at the Breast Cancer Shoot, why shouldn’t BHA”
That is 100% fact and not gossip. I’ll scream it from the rooftops publish it in papers, but that is the truth.
And why we are speaking facts. It’s posted above that the $5 per shooter at trail shoots went to “Buckles” that is not a fact. Those buckles were picked up from Jim White Collection at $5 a piece (roughly). I understand that there’s other expenses involved in getting the buckles ready (copy paper, scissors, etc). But that $5 a shooter per trail shoot did not go specifically to shooter of the year buckles.
9:53 am
Seriously??? ENOUGH!!! This has got to STOP.
Bow-Up has had a range of targets donated for use thanks to Cameron Mitchell who acquired this awesome donation. We will not be using BHA targets for Bow-Up this year.
See you all at Bow-Up and Bowmania!
Remember the next Board meeting will be in Eufaula on August 13. Will post more details as they become available!
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Larry McAfee, Bobby Ingram10:46 am
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Thanks, Charmen, to you and all the officers and volunteers that keep BHA strong.
See everyone at Heritage in June…think PINK!
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Lance Patterson said
While I stand by my original post, it was not about range finders per se and no one jumped on them, range finders were mentioned by the starter of this thread calling them laughable. Then those of us who did what was asked, which was to simply provide our take on the state of BHA today, were then chastised for posting our thoughts by being thanked for participating and that our participation trophies were on the way or something like that. If range finders were not in question then why even bring them up to begin with? I guess some just don’t know how to parse the English language or say what they really mean. So I guess my take now is that if you post your thoughts when asked to do so, it’s taken the wrong way and that one will only get mocked for doing what was asked in the first place.The point of the post was not missed as most stated they did not care about how many classes there are that we can shoot because of our love for archery and competition. The competition for me is only with myself. The numbers were on the decline well before changing to ASA rules, period. I watched it when I started. Those folks were on the way out already.
Now let’s see if the classes get changed back, who has the guts to come call out the classes that only have 1 to 2 shooters and say they need to be done away with.
Better example from June 2013 at the Central Zone CHAMPIONSHIP!http://archerytalk.com/vb/show…..?t=2034598
I will not shoot anymore at BHA.
Don’t run off Lance. Don’t let a little comment on the website keep you from enjoying BHA and archery. I don’t think Kevin’s post was intended to hurt anyone’s feelings. And if it was then brush it off and don’t let it stop you from doing what you enjoy.
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Can’t scare me off. Love archery and all my archery friends and buddies.
That’s why I have been shooting since 1962 and joined BHA at Mac’s Clubhouse in Gadsden, Alabama.
Don’t give a rat’s behind about trophies or awards, just the friends and the love of the flight of the arrow.
BHA is a tradition. Membership is a privilege and a commitment. It is a group of very special people that see beyond the 12 ring and step up to keep archery and bow hunting alive in Alabama by participating and volunteering.
I am a BHA Lifetime Member.
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I have an opinion too. I love to shoot. I love to compare my skills and talents with my peers. I love to Bowhunt. And I love to compete. This club/organization makes all of those things easier. I will continue to be a member until all of my reasons are gone, or y’all kick me out. I shoot almost exclusively Traditional equipment. Lots of the tournaments I shoot have no other Traditional archers. So should I compete against a hunter class? I’d be happy to do so, but I certainly wouldn’t be very competitive. I’m pretty good, but I’d be hard pressed to duplicate the precision people are getting out of a modern compound Bow with pins and peep. I really hope that any members who may feel like any other members are after a participation award find a reason to enjoy our sport in spite of the rules that they disagree with. There are lots of reasons to be a part of our amazing club. I wish we had more archers in EVERY class, but some are just a little light in participation. What class should we lump the crossbows in? My point is that there are so many classes because we must be sure that we’re comparing apples to apples. I love Archery and my peculiar discipline of Archery in particular. It would be a shame if I had to put it down and pick up my compound to shoot because I couldn’t be competitive without it. Please reflect on the compassion you’re showing when you accept a minority class archer and his/her peculiar ways. I promise that I will always take joy in your successes and support your way of doing it. Keep slinging them.
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Mr Henderson, I’ll be shooting a lot with my recurve this year. It would be an honor to shoot with and learn from you. Now be warned, I suck pretty bad with a recurve.
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