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11:14 am
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October 30, 2012
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I think have the same rules as ASA for the Open type classes makes sense. Most of our open shooters also shoot ASA. We should try to keep things comparable for them.
Now the pin shooters in Alabama are not shooting ASA or IBO and we whould do something to try and attract them to BHA and 3D.
11:26 am
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October 24, 2012
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Lay it out there Elk Hunter. What would be a consistant way to accomplish this and not put us all in red ink? And lord don’t mention increasing tournament fees! I have to chuckle on that one because of the discussions we had when we wanted to raise the fees in the 90s to $7. Then how so many folks quit shooting because they got raised.
7:48 pm
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January 15, 2013
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What bowhunter worries about yardage any more.
Have a class…shoot what you bring.
9:04 pm
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March 21, 2013
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do away with the speed limit since i have not seen radar to check speeds yet.
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9:14 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I am like Kenny. Bow Hunter B is the most fun and competitive class we have. If we can work it out for all bow hunting setups we might double the amount of shooters. Maybe 25 yards for first year shooters (bow hunter b) and 35 from then on (bow hunter a) To help all compete in A, you could split the shooters say at 40% and have a second 1,2,3 place. Raise the price to $15.00 and use the extra $3.00 to have a pay off. Fun shoots, (that are fair to both fixed pin, and scope shooters,) that pay money back would pick up also. I think target manufactures will take care of the targets. As speeds increase materials will get better.
9:56 pm
Mike Crenshaw said
do away with the speed limit since i have not seen radar to check speeds yet.
Speeds are generally only checked at Trails shoots, zone championships and state championship. The local shoots that we have most every weekend do not actually have to use BHA rules, but it is recommended.
10:26 pm
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January 15, 2013
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Women should have a known class
5:22 am
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October 24, 2012
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Here comes the guy that starts with…”Back in the ol’ days…”
BHA began shoots with “known distances” when we only shot field archery. ALL the target distances were “known”. Of course we shot recurves (some with sights) and longbows, but we knew the distance.
Along came this 3-D thing and we mixed in the “challenge” of “unknown distance” and added classes based on equipment and distance and every other thing we could think of to cater to every archer…supposedly.
Here we are at this point…we only offer 3-D to archers. Yes, we are a “bowhunting” organization and animal targets fit right in, BUT, we have moved away from other forms of archery that may appeal to a larger audience, such as field archery and FITA and American Round shooting, that gets us out of the woods and makes our sport more visual to a larger public number.
As for “3-D” shooting…Ditch the speed limit. Bows will get faster and faster….Shoot known yardage on everything. EVERY hunter uses rangefinders!….SIMPLIFY.
If we really want to know the reason that a huge number of bowhunters do not attend 3-D shoots…ASK THEM. Let’s take a survey at BOWMANIA! We have so many “bowhunters” that attend this show that never bring their bow, never shoot (or practice) until the weeks leading to archery season, have never shot a 3-D course, have never been exposed to any archery club or Chapter (because we don’t do our job as BHA members to spread the word), are “afraid” to begin 3-D competition because they might miss a target and be embarassed or have not included archery in their “busy schedules”.
As for our sport and organization…we STILL do not actively RECRUIT new members and make the public AWARE of BHA like we know we should…otherwise we would have 50,000 members in Alabama that bowhunt.
We have too many “classes” that cater to every bit of equipment we use and distance we dictate it for…
Simplify…and make archery fun and attractive to new shooters.
9:34 am
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October 24, 2012
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I agree with making it easier and having too many classes and rules. We have 4 classes sometimes the same person qualifies to shoot in by his equipment. I agree with everything you said. Now how to get there is another issue. I believe the average person is too busy to shoot tournaments and it will be only a small percentage of folks that will shoot. Most people are intimidated and are afraid to look bad. I believe that is why the 30 yard classes have become so popular. No one wants to miss a target. The downsize is we are getting ate up with target damage. A club can not have good targets with good lines with most of the shooters shooting at 30 and less. We are having a good discussion but we should have more people weighing in on these issues. One other point I would like to make is we are not charging enough to shoot with the target prices being what they are today.
9:53 am
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October 24, 2012
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Just my two cents, I don’t have a problem with the 280 fps rule and unknown distances. To me it just adds a little more skill to the tournaments. I know this was a topic about rule changes, but it was brought up about getting new guys off the couch and participating. As president of Calhoun county, I try every day to recruit new members, but there are few of us out there that eat, breath, and sleep bowhunting. When I talk to someone new and they ask about advantages of joining on the local level, all I can come back with is “just being around other like minded people that want to talk about bowhunting.” A new member can do everything they need to do by joining on the state level. I think to get participation up we need to have some sort of benefit exclusive to the chapter level.
8:58 pm
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September 19, 2012
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I don’t have a problem with doing away with the speed limit as long as we keep shooter safety in mind. The 5 grains per pound that IBO uses is the AMO standard for arrow weight to draw weight ratio. Going lower than 5 grains per pound of draw weight gets the shooter into a “dry fire” like shot that could damage the bow and possibly injure the shooter. Back in the 80’s when we all shot over 80 pounds with 50% letoff and 5inch overdraws; arrows were short and light to the point that limbs and cables broke and sometimes the shooter got injured during the process of the bow blowing up. Keeping the arrow at a safe weight to draw weight ratio is the only safe way to allow us to do away with the speed limit and maintain a safe setup and still get good speed out of today’s hidhly advanced bows.
9:20 pm
How in the world does IBO monitor the 5 grain/lb limit? I don’t see us ever checking this. To do so, we have to measure arrow weight and bow poundage. Seems to me it is much easier for us to measure bow speed. I was really kind of leaning toward no speed limit but Danny does bring up a very legit safety concern.
10:54 am
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October 24, 2012
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I have had to to do the 5 grains per pound and it was time consuming. That is when they had the either or put into effect in IBO. Somehow we need to keep it simple. On another note ; we are not getting many people to weigh in on these discussions. We need everyone to weigh in and get an overall feel across the state.
12:33 pm
Leldon Futral said
On another note ; we are not getting many people to weigh in on these discussions. We need everyone to weigh in and get an overall feel across the state.
Leldon, Welcome to the BHA Forum. That’s the way it works on here and has for years. Discouraging? Yes.
12:46 pm
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November 28, 2012
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I thought we locked down the forums so we could have these big discussions on BHA business and direction. Thanks to all those who have voices their opinions. Stay involved.
8:26 pm
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October 24, 2012
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leldon,our bylaws once voted in and accepted in the minutes.Are just that .Our laws that we must go by to keep out nonprofit tax exemption.With that said.How can we vote to change our Bylaws that have a time limit attached to it before the time period is up?Even if the right or wrong?
9:16 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I am glad you asked that Fred. Why did the group change a bylaw to lock it down for three years? Now what if the next group decided to lock it down for 50 years? A organization has to be open minded and be able to adapt to changes in time . . Remember I shot the Limited Class for most of my shooting days and now there is no limited class. You have to be able to adapt to change. I have sat through numerous rules meetings with it almost becoming a fight.. I am very aware of why some thought it appropriate to put a lock on the rules. There is no such thing in a democratic organization if enough people want to change the bylaw back. The purpose of this whole thread is to see if enough people want it changed back so we can address all the changes in the other organizations. We need everyone to weigh in and if the majority is fine with leaving the rules as is then that will be the way it will happen. We are a democratic organization and the majority will rule. My whole point has been that a lot of people are not aware that the bylaw can be repealed and another reinstated. It will be difficult unless it is obvious that the three year lock has handcuffed the organzation . If you believe it has not handcuffed us into staying with the times than by all means it does not need changing. It seems you think it can not be changed but it can be changed the same way it was put into place.
11:09 am
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November 5, 2012
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well just my two cents but i really do enjoy stepping up to a stake n judging distance and i like the speed limit .However seams to be enough people intrested to have a known distance class .
6:41 pm
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October 24, 2012
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It was lock down because:We were spending more time at the State Meeting on rules than worry about growing BHA.Answer me this.How many BHA local shoots have you been to that had a known distance class? And ASA qualifers dont count.Because its for ASA not BHA. Everyone at those meeting supported the 3 year lock down.except Me and Chris C.That why we got the extra year to work out the loop holes.But you dont understand.None of this is the point.The point is the ByLaws are what this club is supposed to run by.They can only be changed once a year at the State Meeting.And how there writen is what we go by to keep from loosen our NonProfit tax exm.Not when 51 0/0 want to change it.In the middle of the ball game.Now im having to type this on my phone.My computer is in shop.So if you or anyone else want to talk please call me.256-458-3315 .Cause type on this phone is for the birds.Fred
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