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7:49 am
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October 24, 2012
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I do understand all about bylaws and I understand the three year lock written in the bylaws can be changed. It has nothing to do with our tax exempt status. Any bylaw can be added or changed with the proper procedure. I laid that out previously when I started this post. The question is what needs changing and do we have enough people that want it changed? Keeping a three year lock on rules will always hinder us and keep us from growing.
8:35 am
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February 21, 2013
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This has been a great discussion and has brought up some very good points. After reading all of the post and looking over the bylaws and constitution I think that these changes that have been discussed about the local shoot should be made by the Zone Officers or local clubs leadership first. In section IX of the bylaws it states ( These rules are to be followed by local clubs at their local events as a “recommendation” of BHA; however, the individual clubs are allowed to deviate from a rule for their local club shoot without incurring any penalties from BHA.) Therefore if the local club or zone what to add a known distance class, no speed limit or have a shoot what you bring they can. So why don’t one of the zone leaders start looking at this. This is where I think we need to start, if it works then take it to the board meeting to change the rules. We are the shakers and the movers. Who wants to start!
Mathews Chill, Gold Tip - Pro Hunter - XXX, QAD, True Fire, Bohning, B Stinger......
9:08 am
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January 25, 2013
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First off, we have been hearing for years”BHA needs to get out of the Tournament Business”. Well in once sense they do. BHA has to be involved with the Rules. My suggestion would be to make it a 7 or 9 person team. We do have a tournament rules committee but they never get used. BHA President would be on the team as Vice President. 3 Zone directors. That is your tournament committee there.
We just need to”elect” 2 to 4 more to make it an uneven number. The rules are subject to change when the committee deems a need” due to rule changes in other organizations. They will be required to have meetings, keep minutes, sign off on who voted in which way. Have a Representative at the Board meeting and let folks know what is going on. Free BHA up, get out of the rules and focuse on other things. Remember this is just for the Trail Shoots.
9:40 am
Bobby, that really is probably not a bad idea. Let the rules committee deal with the rules outside of regular BHA board meetings. That will also free up board meetings to be used on promoting BHA and bowhunting. We so often want to compare ourselves to IBO and ASA well, I am betting those organizations have a “rules committee” or something similar.
If I remember correctly, there was a position appointed to be a “rules director” and would report to the President/Executive Board and that person will be appointed in August. This position was created to handle the everyday rules issues throughout the year. What you are proposing is a bit different in that it would give complete power over the rules to the committee. I think it is worthy of discussing.
10:17 am
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November 28, 2012
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Now we are talking. Good post Bobby. I think the more people we have involved the better. The 3D responsibilities on the BHA board are too much. To much 3D and not enough bowhunting. The board has to worry about Trail Shoots, 3D NASP shoot, Bowmania, trail shoot paybacks, 3D rules issues, etc. I would like to see a tournament chair and committee made up of BHA members who are not on the board. Let them handle the rules and run the trail shoots, etc. Be responsible for everything 3D within BHA.
Have a tournament meeting in October to review and set rules for the next season.
And I think it would be wise to reach out to those who have vast amounts of experience in 3D to ask for guidance. I think I do but I don’t know jack when compared to Jackie Caudle, Gozas, Allen Conner, Leldon, etc, etc. The experience and knowledge of 3D in the State of Alabama is almost uncomparable. Tap into that knowledge somehow.
11:57 am
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October 24, 2012
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leldon.the way your post reads.Is the three year lock can be voted out this year.Corect? If its ment that way then its wrong.Its not due for a vote until next year .At that time it can be voted as everyone see fit.One more thing and im done until the Board meeting.If you dont think we can loose our tax exemption/Non profit statious by not having and following our Bylaws your wrong my friend.
12:53 pm
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October 24, 2012
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This is all I have to say about if it can be done. SECTION VIII – AMENDMENTS
Any proposed amendments to this Constitution and/or by-laws must be submitted in writing by a General Board member at any Board Meeting. The proposal will be discussed and then tabled. It will be raised at the BHA State Convention and voted upon at that meeting. Amendments will be passed by a 2/3-majority vote of General Board members in good standing at that meeting.
SECTION IX – TOURNAMENT RULES
A copy of the current tournament rules is attached and is considered part of the BHA Bylaws. The tournament rules are to be enforced at all BHA sanctioned state events. These rules are to be followed by local clubs at their local events as a “recommendation” of BHA; however, the individual clubs are allowed to deviate from a rule for their local club shoot without incurring any penalties from BHA. This does not include BHA sanctioned events held at any local club. The tournament rules will remain in effect in their current state without change for a term of three years. The purpose of this is to reduce confusion regarding tournament rules, improve consistency in the application of rules at BHA sanctioned events and reduce time spent at Board meetings discussing possible rule changes. It will allow BHA as an organization to apply the rules properly through consistent understanding and enforcement. At the end of three years a Board member can make a proposal for a rule change during any Board meeting. It will be discussed and tabled. It will then be raised at the next Board meeting and voted upon. Once changes have been made they will be in affect for another three years.
1:35 pm
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October 24, 2012
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I reckon that was not all I had to say about if it can be done. Everyone needs to be informed that the only way anything can start to be changed is at the next board meeting. It must be put into writing and introduced then discussed.It then will be tabled and then it will be voted on at the State Convention. It is that simple to amend or change a bylaw. The bottom line is ” Are there enough people that want to see some changes?” It has to pass by 2/3 majority of the general board members in good standing at the meeting. I am not advocating or stirring the pot. I am just showing how it can be done. I do not believe everyone really understood what was passed. Read it well and you will see another flaw of the perpetual three years. In principal it sounds good but in reality it handcuffs the organization.
10:31 pm
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April 24, 2013
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call me dumb or whatever but how long before we can put a vote down to have a known distance class?
8:25 am
Joshua Piper said
call me dumb or whatever but how long before we can put a vote down to have a known distance class?
If we make any changes to the rules, the process starts next board meeting, voted on in August and will take effect when 3D season starts in 2014.
9:22 am
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February 3, 2013
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If we want more people to join in on shoots and BHA we need to change the rules so the avarage every day bow hunters can bring his or her hunting bow out and compete.
5:09 pm
Jeremy Justus said
If we want more people to join in on shoots and BHA we need to change the rules so the avarage every day bow hunters can bring his or her hunting bow out and compete.
Jeremy, what would you suggest? That is what we want but how are the rules keeping the average everyday bowhunter from coming out? We have various classes just for bowhunters with hunting setups. I can see the 280 fps speed limit as one issue. what are the others?
8:18 am
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October 24, 2012
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Leldon Futral said
I have always advocated getting out of the rules business and shoot by someone else’s . The speed limit is always a thorn in our sides. Just doing away with it would be a help. If you make it 290 you make the IBO crowd mad. IT would be easier to just do away with the speed rule. I know from past experience you would have a certain percent of people that would get it dangerously fast and become a safety hazard again. I remember in the 90s some were shooting overdraws and pushing 300 back then. That is why IBO put the 5 grains into play. You then open another can of worms to enforce the 5 grains per pound. Another way to handle it would be to write into the rules you would go by the highest speed in whatever organization was the fastest. The next issue is class shooting distance. We have so many classes that are redundate of the same classes. WE have stakes at every distance but 35 yards and 45 yards max. Why would we have so many different classes with the same criteria? Kids classes seem to be alright and everything below 25yards. I believe the 30 yard classes are the issue. 75% of the shooters shoot from 30 and under. In the 90s era everybody shot from the same stake and the max was 35 for a while and 40 at another time. All adults shot from the same stake! You can’t tell me with all this technology and bow speed we can’t back the 30 yard stake to 35. That would help target damage and also help everyone hone their skills. A little common sense in course setting would make this only a minimial issue. Just the threat of another 5 yards changes the game and would help clubs on target damage. Increasing the speed limit would greatly effect target damage at close ranges.Now my next point is it has been proven that people want to do well. If you make the courses hard they do not enjoy shooting as well. We don ‘t need to do anything that makes people not want to participate. Max yardage is the max distance not all the targets have to be the same. It would be nice to let some organization set the rules and just use what they have in place. No matter what we do other than get out of the rule bussiness will always cause us to loose members.
i agree with you in the 80″s we had a blast all men shoot from thesame place but had mens fingers,masters, free stileand barebow women shot closer and the kids shot closer..
8:58 am
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February 3, 2013
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Kenny the speed limit is the biggest issue most of your every day bow hunters want to practice with what they are going to hunt with . They dont want to turn there bows down or change to a heavier arrow to come out and compete . we need to have it set up where when we meet some one on the street we can invite them out and get them hooked on the sport od 3D . No telling how many times in the last few years I have invited some one out to a shoot and once they asked what the rules were i was told there set up was to fast and they didnt want to change any thing. And i also understand targets are not cheap maybe we need to go back to one stake for bow hunter class 40 yard max but also have a B class that you win out of and move to A. Can not quite remeber how we did it when i first started i do know we all shot from the same stake but awards were given for to diffrent classes of bow hunters maybe Charles or Leldon might remember how we did it. and i not saying all the targets need to be on the upper side of the max yardage just a good mix .
11:34 am
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November 28, 2012
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Here is a go at it:
Cubs – No Change
Youth – No Change
Juniors – No Change
Bowhunter B – No Change
Bowhunter A – No Change
Women’s Bowhunter – No Change
Women’s Bowhunter A – No change
Bowhunter Senior – No Change
Senior Adv. – No Change
Unlimited – ??? – Would need to move to 45 yards, need to evaluate based on participation.
Bowhunter Unlimited – Unlimited type rules on equipment – 40yrd max – Known Distance – No speed limit
Known 45 – Rules match ASA
Open B – 290fps – 40yrd max, maybe 45 if Open shooters want to match ASA
Open A – 290fps – 45yrd max
3:30 pm
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October 30, 2012
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Fred said
leldon.the way your post reads.Is the three year lock can be voted out this year.Corect? If its ment that way then its wrong.Its not due for a vote until next year .At that time it can be voted as everyone see fit.One more thing and im done until the Board meeting.If you dont think we can loose our tax exemption/Non profit statious by not having and following our Bylaws your wrong my friend.
Fred,
Leldon is not advocating going against the by laws. He is advocating changing them just like non-profits change by laws every year. Changing our by laws does not jeopordize our non-profit status in any way.
9:16 pm
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March 12, 2013
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Non profit status is granted by the state. You can actually fill out the form and pay on the Secretary of State’s website. The state does not require the bylaws to be submitted at all (see the Secretary of State website). They are the organization’s internal governing documents. The Feds do require the bylaws and they are the ones who grant tax exempt status. Not the state.This does not mean that the organization pays no taxes at all. Any income made as a result of activities not directly associated with the charitable mission are taxable. And non profits can make a profit as long as it is a direct result of the charitable mission. Changing the bylaws is done by organizations all the time. That is why there is an ammendments section.The IRS does have to be notified, usually through a form 990 that is submitted annually. The key is very meticulous record keeping. Generally organizations lose tax exempt status when they start paying board members unreasonable salaries or they change their mission with respect to the charitable cause(s).
2:08 pm
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October 24, 2012
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In reguards to the speed change poll vary by class is winning. This would be simple to implament. Raise all classes to 290 for our guys who shoot asa and put no limit on bowhunter b for your average bowhunter who wants to shoot his hunting rig. If he wants to compete in other classes then he will have to play by the speed rules
3:31 pm
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October 24, 2012
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That seems to be a problem Scott. Most of the bowhunters want to shoot faster than the tournament shooters. Most of the new bows are shooting 300 plus on their hunting setups. It has become a problem for the new participants more so than us ” Target Archers”. Did I just say that out loud! On a serious note Varying speeds always will be a thorn that will have to be monitored. I would like to see us be flexible and be able to address our rules and stay in line with the national organizations. When you show up you can shoot your comparable class with out resetting up your equipment. We have lost a few shooters that refuse to jack their bow up and down from week to week because of the organization’s rules. Look around and don’t you see some missing faces? I see plenty of them that I see every time I go to a national shoot. I honestly believe the inconvenience is the biggest problem. Now I said that to move this conversation forward and to the point that most individuals are always in favor of the things that will help them and are not concerned with the other classes. If you pay close attention ,you can see this in each and everyone of our post. My vote on the speed pole was just do away with the speed but I know that will not happen. My goal is to at least get our rules so anyone showing up can shoot their respective class. I believe that is not asking too much.
4:07 pm
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October 24, 2012
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Leldon i agree. I to would like to see us be flexible and stay in line with the national organization but no speed limit on bowhunter b would allow your everyday bowhunter shooting his speed bow to come out and shoot without changing anything.
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