October 24, 2012
So if I may ask, How well was the turn out this year for BHA? Am I the only one that sees that BHA has almost been bread out of Existance to ASA? It will not be long it will be over for BHA! I think BHA is going to have to step back and regroup. We got away from our mission of being different to provide a Hunting atmosphere to a target shooting atmosphere. First of all BHA is not as big of an Organization as ASA so we have no need to compete with ASA! Since excepting ASA rules and classes, I have watched BHA start a down hill assent. It has come to a point with all the classes now that if you cant WIN you can go to a class that only has one shooter in it. Then you can go brag all over Facebook and show your awards to what a good archer you are! I mean the people seeing that on FB do not know that you did not shoot against anyone. How many Classes are there now, like 32? Everyone likes to shoot our club but we only had like 24 shooters to show up for a two day Invitational. So we had more classes than we had shooters! I listen for years to the ASA shooters in BHA complain that BHA needs to except ASA rules! Since doing so with so many Classes and no competition the numbers have dropped greatly. So I would like to know what you think by letting BHA know how we can get our numbers back? How to restructure and do away with all these classes and have real competition again and how to get back to what BHA, BHA again. I know that I am always controversial when I post on the board, I get mixed reviews, most tell me Thank You, it needed to be said! While others comment the other way! The funnest comment was “YOUR THE ONE”! Lol So I will start the discussion by Classes: This is just off the top of my head so feel free to chime in:
All groups should be set up by age for kids, and youths, fixed pins, and scopes,
Ages group should be to determine and to prevent the SANDBAGGER
Men Bowhunters classes by age, fixed pins, scopes
Women Bowhunter classes by age fixed pins, scopes
Mens and Women Advance fixed pins, scopes NO age requirement once you got to Advance
Then The Elites, anything goes age does not matter!
I encourage people to add to this list and to voice your opinion please. I am grown I can handle it, so criticize away! Shoot me with your slings and arrows!
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October 24, 2013
I think it would be ideal if there was a happy medium between BHA and ASA. I like the rule structure and clarity of ASA. When I joined BHA about 5 years ago nobody in BHA knew what the hell the rules were so that has changed for the better IMO. However, there are way too many classes in ASA for BHA to support. I would recommend to continue with ASA classes BUT only supporting certain classes. For example, don’t support Open A, B, and C. Just support A and B or A and C to consolidate and simplify for local shoots. I think that should be a state wide decision for consistency. I liked it when there were at least 5-10 people in each class.
My personal gripe has been communication. I’m not on Facebook, the twitter machine, Snapchat, and whatever else people use nowadays. If you want information you have to know someone that knows someone. Good luck finding it barried in the forums. The organization is not friendly or inviting at all to new members. I think this has changed in the last few years. That part of the organization is aweful. It feels like that members only bar that only accepts new members if you know someone. That’s my perception which is a shame because I know the organization is full of great people throughout because I meet them every weekend. I’m not sure how to change that to be honest.
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February 3, 2013
September 21, 2012
It would need to be presented to an Executive Board member or James Hornbuckle, the Tournament Director. However, rule changes are part of the By-Laws and have to be tabled at the May Board meeting to be voted on in August. Clarification to rules can be made at any Board meeting. The August Board meeting is this Sunday in Eufaula at EA Archery. The meeting will start at 8:00am. Hope everyone can make it.
October 24, 2012
BHA started as a bowhunting organization that used target archery (field archery, in the beginning) as a means to add a form of competition and practice and unity (to gather archers together that shared the same passion of archery and bowhunting).
We (BHA) has evolved. The mission that we have since the ’60’s has changed. More weight is on competition and less on what the organization was conceived to do.
Alabama is changing…people are changing. Hunting in Alabama is decreasing, as is bowhunting. The rise of the crossbow in “archery season” eliminates the “need” to practice or go to archery tournaments. The “romance” or draw to use a bow has been marginalized. The Alabama Society of Traditional Bowmen continues to draw archers to the simple bow. There is FUN in the archery camp.
My opinion: Modern archery has put itself in a corner. We cannot “undo” the advance of archery, equipment and drive to hit the 12 ring, but we can begin to make archery fun and more diverse by adding new archery challenges. 3-D archery has been the “norm” for years and has lead us to believe that by shooting animal targets, that it, somehow, makes us believe we are keeping that “bowhunter” mentality. Targets are usually (especially ASA) placed on lanes that may as well be paved.
TOO MANY CLASSES!. BHA used to have SIMPLE classes designed for the bowhunter AND the target archer,
BHA needs to take a real look at our situation. Chapter BHA shoots are having less shooters. Our main “draws” are to shoots that have some association with ASA. This is good and bad. I believe that this kind of “competition” drives away “bowhunters”. ASA attracts shooters that want to compete.
People today are rushed and have responsibilities and distractions more than ever before. Leisure time and rec time is limited and most is time dedicated.
SUGGESTION: We need to get out of the woods and have public shoots in areas inside our cities (college campuses, malls, parks, etc.) so people can SEE archery. Let’s advertise more and have archery demonstrations that attract the PUBLIC. We cannot afford the luxury of hoping people will “discover” us.
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October 24, 2012
Thank you Larry and others. BHA was very good at one point when the Leaders shot or went to the Tournaments . It gave people access to the Leaders and information could be past on. I remember the time that you saw Barry, and Mike at almost every shoot, I could not tell you who any of our leaders are today!
September 19, 2012
I have been a BHA member for a long time. I have been a lifetime member now for several years. I started shooting 3D tournaments back in 1984. I have seen BHA grow and grow over the years. I have however noticed that the local shoots are dwindling down in numbers and that the folks that are there to volunteer to help setup and takedown ranges is down to one or two people doing all of the work. ASA has grown over the years due to the fact that families show up they shoot forty targets over two days and go home. no work involved and no clean up and loading targets after the shoot. ASA has grown over the last few years due to the increase in women and children shooting in them.
Last year at the ASA State Championship at Oak Mountain State Park there was over 290 competitors for the two day event to shoot on one 30 target range. BHA State Championship only had 140 on two separate ranges to accommodate the shooters. I like the format for the ASA Pro/Ams but for our local shoot we do have way too many classes for BHA tournaments. Some classes only have one competitor or at least only two or three in them. I like the ASA rules and the way they run the shoots. They are well ran and usually flow along pretty good. The amount of classes that BHA recognizes should be cut down to a manageable level that is fair to all of the competitors. I am sure that it will take someone a lot smarter than me to figure out the basic classes needed but I hope that someone can.
October 24, 2012
I think one thing with BHA they have made it frustrating to introduce something. I think we ended up with some lawyers running the show. I mean everyone wants to be important, some want to make it complicated. I understand that we need to protect against Law suits and I am all for that! Have you sat in on a meeting? I have! The minutes are kept of the meeting which is good. It has been a couple of years since I went to a meeting, seems you have to table you request in writing to the Board then it will be voted on at the last meeting at the State Championship, after that if accepted it will go into effect the following year! This means you have to know someone if you can’t go yourself. I think there should be a way for people to submit a request to be reviewed by the board. I am just throwing this out there, Since BHA has a web site there should be a place to make a request of BHA on this site, along with a way to make a request at the Invitationals or sanction shoots! This would be a way to get the members of BHA involved in their Organization. Instead of someone having to go to a meeting to submit one. I have Shot in BHA since 1977 and have been in Law Enforcement since 1983, for some of you not familiar with protecting and serving it requires working most weekends, Please feel free to correct me or to chime in on how things work in BHA.
October 24, 2013
I know S3DA is out there so maybe there is a partnership opportunity there but do we currently do anything with schools or other organizations to recruit new members and bring awareness to BHA besides Bowmania? If not, I think it would be a good idea to create programs or partner with other programs that accomplish this. For example, we could create some type of partnership or program with both private and public schools such as a league within BHA. I hear about archery teams and groups in some schools but there was no such thing when I was in school. Of course you have football, baseball, golf, etc. but why not archery via BHA? The schools could have BHA sanctioned dot and 3D shoots in their facilities and of course they could also participate in the weekend BHA shoots. School vs. school shoots and so on. This would potentially tap into city and state funding for equipment, targets, classes, among other things. Most importantly it would grow the organization, create awareness, and create a mechanism to recruit new young members. They only reason I found BHA was because I was an avid bowhunter researching something one day on the internet and just stumbled across an ad or something that got me curious. I have never seen anything proactive in the community besides Bowmania that really sells BHA or recruits new members. Something needs to be there to complete with the efforts of ASA and S3DA.
It would cost money but we could also create some type of annual or quarterly publication similar to what ASA creates to mail out to members ahead of the season but it could be delivered to mom and pop hunting shops, schools, marketing mailing lists, etc.
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September 19, 2012
Speaking personally, I see some points that Kevin is trying to make. It may seem like it is hard to pass any changes but the rules set in place by the bylaws keeps BHA from making decisions too quickly and then having to go back and change them when the error or better way is found. If you have proposals that have merit and would benefit BHA and it’s members, then by all means attend a board meeting and state your case or go to your zone director or chapter president and have them present the proposal. I have made several proposals over the years and some have passed and some not. They all got discussed and was voted on by the BHA members present at the meeting.
As far as schools go, BHA has been involved with the NASP (National Archery Schools Program) and has supported it at every level within the state of Alabama. I agree that S3DA is a program that is looking very promising and Jeremy Blackmon spoke about it today at the board meeting. BHA is only as good as it’s members that join in and participate in the process. I have attended many board meetings over the years and gotten in some very heated dicussions over topics mostly about 3D tournaments and the way that we run them. Again, sometimes I get what I want. Sometimes I have been voted down and others I have been shown a better way to do them. I have shot with Kevin over the last several years and he is a great competitor. Every BHA member is valuable to this organization. The “Old timers” like me, are dedicated to continuiing the heritage and traditions that founded this organization. The younger generation, I hope will see that they are our future and not only show up to shoot but volunteer to help setup ranges and see what it takes to setup a safe and competitive range. Sad state of BHA? Maybe. As I sat in the board meeting today, I looked around at the officers at the head table and then around at the various people there from the chapters across the state. These people gave up there Sunday morning instead of driving home, spent another night in a hotel to attend the meeting and then spent four plus hours negotiating what we want to accomplish for BHA for 2019. Thanks to all of those folks that were in attendance this morning. Your dedication is appreciated.
I have made a LOT of GREAT friends over the years in BHA and I hope that I can see BHA grow for many years to come. If we don’t figure out a way to all get on the same page then somewhere down the road it will be a sad state for BHA. Thanks to all of the people that helped setup, take down and run all of the 3D shoots across the state this year. Your efforts are what keeps 3D tournaments going in BHA. Thanks to everyone that has taken the time to drive to the three board meetings held this year and gave up your time, gas and wear and tear on your vehicle to make those trips to make BHA a better organization. We can’t exist as an organization without your dedication and hard work.
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September 21, 2012
Being the State Coordinator for S3DA, I would welcome the opportunity to partner with BHA or the BHA chapters to promote both S3DA and BHA but that doesn’t seem to be the interest of the Board at this time. I have mentioned it several times and nothing has come out of it yet. I am not going to give up. The BHA chapters have expressed interest in working in conjunction with Alabama S3DA and this year we hosted several shoots at BHA chapters including our 3D State Championship at Autauga County. I would like to thank all of the Chapters of BHA for their support and assistance this year and am looking forward to growing Alabama S3DA to bigger and better things for our youth in Alabama. There again to repeat what was said earlier, it takes more than 1 to accomplish this. We used to be a FAMILY and that has fallen away. Getting back to the roots of what BHA was founded on and the purpose of the organization is where I think we need to go. I know sitting on the Board or being active in a chapter or any other position seems like a thankless job and most of the time it is but one or 2 people cannot do this. We all have to pitch in and do our part.
As far as proposals, if you cannot make it to the Board meeting you can email a copy of your proposal to the Executive Board. The ByLaws state that they have to be presented to the Board before the start of a Board Meeting but it is not specifically written that you have to be in attendance, although it would be suggested in case your proposal needs to be explained. I for one would email it to the Board and then contact one of them to explain your intent and what you want to accomplish with the proposal.
I appreciate all that the Board, chapters, and volunteers do throughout the year and would really like to thank you all for being a part of BHA and MY archery family. I look forward to seeing what happens within the next year to make everything grow and prosper.
Congratulations to all of the Officers and Directors that were voted in yesterday and Thank you so much for continuing to serve a great organization.
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